well i must say in all my years of experience, after all the forums i have been to, This has got to be the first time i have had something like this come up. You bring up a good point, but lets think about it logicaly. He was banned in the first place for the good of the forums. If he came back and did do the same thing, it would be on your shoulders, not the mods or admins. should we really risk others leaving becuase we decided to give someone a second chance? If what nitz says is true, then that means we have already given him a second chance and he screwed up yet again. Should we really Give him a third chance and take the risk? Without some kind of collateral?